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Because I'm too lazy to actually create a conlang, we're using Greenlandic for Elw, but with regular sound changes (see below), and added loanwords from various languages that are adapted to the phonology and orthography of Elw (see main article).
Because I'm too lazy to actually create a conlang, we're using Greenlandic for Elw, but with regular sound changes (see below), and added loanwords from various languages that are adapted to the phonology and orthography of Elw (see main article).
== Getting to a Greenlandic text ==
Options:
# Ask Ric to check his dictionary.
# Use [https://iserasuaat.gl/daka/ this Danish–Greenlandic/Greenlandic–Danish dictionary] (DeepL, Google Translate, Wiktionary, etc. can help you get stuff into Danish).
# Use Google Translate or DeepL to translate a text from English to Danish, then run the text through [https://nutserut.gl/ this Danish–Greenlandic machine-learning translator].


== Adapting Greenlandic to Elw ==
== Adapting Greenlandic to Elw ==
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| oq || or
| oq || or
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| ugut || uruh
| gut || ruh
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| usi || us
| usi || us
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|-
| tut || duh
| tut || duh
|-
| tigut || dyruh
|-
|-
| ni || yn
| ni || yn
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:''Inuih tamarmiq inunngurpuh namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutiq assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffiqarlutiq. Silaqassusirmiq tarnillu nalunngissusianiq pilirsugaappuh, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarpuh qatanngutigiittuh piqatigiinniruh anirsaavayn.''
:''Inuih tamarmiq inunngurpuh namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutiq assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffiqarlutiq. Silaqassusirmiq tarnillu nalunngissusianiq pilirsugaappuh, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarpuh qatanngutigiittuh piqatigiinniruh anirsaavayn.''


== Step 3: Initial consonants ==
=== Step 3: Initial consonants ===


Adapt all words beginning with consonants, as follows:
Adapt all words beginning with consonants, as follows:
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:''Inuih damarmiq inunngurpuh namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutiq assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu bisinnaatitaaffiqarlutiq. Silaqassusirmiq darnillu nalunngissusianiq bilirsugaappuh, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarpuh qatanngutigiittuh biqatigiinniruh anirsaavayn.''
:''Inuih damarmiq inunngurpuh namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutiq assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu bisinnaatitaaffiqarlutiq. Silaqassusirmiq darnillu nalunngissusianiq bilirsugaappuh, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarpuh qatanngutigiittuh biqatigiinniruh anirsaavayn.''


== Step 4: Intervocalic consonants ==
=== Step 4: Intervocalic consonants ===


In step 4, we adapt the consonants who have vowels both before and after.
In step 4, we adapt the consonants who have vowels both before and after.
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:''Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaaayn.''
:''Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaaayn.''


== Step 5: Initial vowel clean-up ==
=== Step 5: Initial vowel clean-up ===


=== Step 5 a: triple vowels ===
==== Step 5 a: triple vowels ====


Make sure that there are no triple vowels (e.g. ''aaa''). Shorten them to a double vowel (e.g. '''aaa''' > ''aa'').
Make sure that there are no triple vowels (e.g. ''aaa''). Shorten them to a double vowel (e.g. '''aaa''' > ''aa'').
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:''Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaayn.''
:''Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaayn.''


=== Step 5 b: delete ''y'' after vowel ===
==== Step 5 b: delete ''y'' after vowel ====


Delete any ''y'' that follows a vowel.
Delete any ''y'' that follows a vowel.
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:''Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaan.''
:''Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaan.''


== Step 6: Regarding ''i'' and ''ii'' ==
=== Step 6: Regarding ''i'' and ''ii'' ===


=== Step 6 a: Initial ''i'' and ''ii'' ===
==== Step 6 a: Initial ''i'' and ''ii'' ====


''i'' as the first vowel of a word will transform into ''e'', unless the next syllable has a double vowel or diphthong (i.e. combination of two different vowels), in which case it will transform to ''y''.
''i'' as the first vowel of a word will transform into ''e'', unless the next syllable has a double vowel or diphthong (i.e. combination of two different vowels), in which case it will transform to ''y''.
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: ''Inuih damarmiq enumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, emminnullu eliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaan.''
: ''Inuih damarmiq enumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, emminnullu eliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaan.''


=== Step 6 b: Lonely interconsonantal ''i'' and ''ii'' ===
==== Step 6 b: Lonely interconsonantal ''i'' and ''ii'' ====


Lonely ''i'', that is with consonants on either side of it, will transform to ''y'', unless of the consonants on either side is ''q'', in which case the lonely ''i'' will transform into ''e'', or ''ll'' in which case the lonely ''i'' will remain ''i''.
Lonely ''i'', that is with consonants on either side of it, will transform to ''y'', unless of the consonants on either side is ''q'', in which case the lonely ''i'' will transform into ''e'', or ''ll'' in which case the lonely ''i'' will remain ''i''.
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: ''Inuih damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzeqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazuseqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzusianeq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eliurzyreqadyritariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''
: ''Inuih damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzeqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazuseqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzusianeq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eliurzyreqadyritariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''


== Step 7: Diphthongs ==
=== Step 7: Diphthongs ===


For the purposes of this step, a diphthong consists of two or more vowels together who are not the same vowel, e.g. ''iu'', ''ui'', but not ''uu'', ''aa''.
For the purposes of this step, a diphthong consists of two or more vowels together who are not the same vowel, e.g. ''iu'', ''ui'', but not ''uu'', ''aa''.
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In the transformation to Elw, we wish to avoid diphthongs as much as possible.
In the transformation to Elw, we wish to avoid diphthongs as much as possible.


=== Step 7 a: ''i'' + vowel ===
==== Step 7 a: ''i'' + vowel ====


First of all we have a special rule with this type of diphthong with
First of all we have a special rule with this type of diphthong with
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: ''Inuih damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaraluarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''
: ''Inuih damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaraluarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''


=== Step 7 b: ''u'' + vowel ===
==== Step 7 b: ''u'' + vowel ====


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
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: ''Ineh damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''
: ''Ineh damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''


== Step 8: When to transform ''u'' ==
=== Step 8: When to transform ''u'' ===


Finally, we will transform ''u'' (but not ''uu'') to ''o'' before ''m'' and ''n''.
Finally, we will transform ''u'' (but not ''uu'') to ''o'' before ''m'' and ''n''.
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: ''Ineh damarmeq enomnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalomnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''
: ''Ineh damarmeq enomnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalomnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.''


== Comparing input and output ==
=== Comparing input and output ===


{| class="wikitable"
{| class="wikitable"
! Input !! Output
! Input !! Output
|-
|-
| Inuit tamarmik inunngorput nammineersinnaassuseqarlutik assigiimmillu ataqqinassuseqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffeqarlutik. Silaqassusermik tarnillu nalunngissusianik pilersugaapput, imminnullu iliorfigeqatigiittariaqaraluarput qatanngutigiittut peqatigiinnerup anersaavani. || Ineh damarmeq enomnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalomnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh beqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan
| Inuit tamarmik inunngorput nammineersinnaassuseqarlutik assigiimmillu ataqqinassuseqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffeqarlutik. Silaqassusermik tarnillu nalunngissusianik pilersugaapput, imminnullu iliorfigeqatigiittariaqaraluarput qatanngutigiittut peqatigiinnerup anersaavani. || Ineh damarmeq enomnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqenazuseqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalomnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh beqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan
|}
|}
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Latest revision as of 07:04, 13 December 2022

Because I'm too lazy to actually create a conlang, we're using Greenlandic for Elw, but with regular sound changes (see below), and added loanwords from various languages that are adapted to the phonology and orthography of Elw (see main article).

Getting to a Greenlandic text

Options:

  1. Ask Ric to check his dictionary.
  2. Use this Danish–Greenlandic/Greenlandic–Danish dictionary (DeepL, Google Translate, Wiktionary, etc. can help you get stuff into Danish).
  3. Use Google Translate or DeepL to translate a text from English to Danish, then run the text through this Danish–Greenlandic machine-learning translator.

Adapting Greenlandic to Elw

We're using the following text to show you the example of processing a text from Greenlandic to Elw:

Inuit tamarmik inunngorput nammineersinnaassuseqarlutik assigiimmillu ataqqinassuseqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffeqarlutik. Silaqassusermik tarnillu nalunngissusianik pilersugaapput, imminnullu iliorfigeqatigiittariaqaraluarput qatanngutigiittut peqatigiinnerup anersaavani.
"All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood."


Step 1: e/o > i/u

In step 1, adapt the Greenlandic orthography to an etymological orthography. Modern Greenlandic uses e/ee and o/oo as allophones of i and u before guttural consonsants (q, r).

As such, we begin simply by changing all e to i, and all o to u.

Inuit tamarmik inunngurput namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutik assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffiqarlutik. Silaqassusirmik tarnillu nalunngissusianik pilirsugaapput, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarput qatanngutigiittut piqatigiinnirup anirsaavani.

Step 2: Deal with the suffixes

In step 2, we deal with the suffixes by beginning to adapt them to the Elw language. Begin with the longer suffixes, and end the adaption with the shorter ones.

Greenlandic Elw
unga on
utit u
oq or
gut ruh
usi us
ut uh
aq ar
p h
mik meq
nik neq
mut muh
mit myh
mi ym
kkut kuh
tut duh
ni yn
nit nyh
nut nuh
p h
t h
k q
q r

Our text now looks like this:

Inuih tamarmiq inunngurpuh namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutiq assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffiqarlutiq. Silaqassusirmiq tarnillu nalunngissusianiq pilirsugaappuh, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarpuh qatanngutigiittuh piqatigiinniruh anirsaavayn.

Step 3: Initial consonants

Adapt all words beginning with consonants, as follows:

Greenlandic Elw Comment
k k
l l
m m
n n
p b
q q
s s
t d
v Ø i.e. Delete

Our text now looks like this:

Inuih damarmiq inunngurpuh namminiirsinnaassusiqarlutiq assigiimmillu ataqqinassusiqarlutillu bisinnaatitaaffiqarlutiq. Silaqassusirmiq darnillu nalunngissusianiq bilirsugaappuh, imminnullu iliurfigiqatigiittariaqaraluarpuh qatanngutigiittuh biqatigiinniruh anirsaavayn.

Step 4: Intervocalic consonants

In step 4, we adapt the consonants who have vowels both before and after.

Greenlandic Elw Comment
f h
ff v
g r
gg q
j j
k g
kk k
l l
ll ll
m m
mm mm
n n
nn nn
ng nm
nng mn
p b
pp p
q q
qq rq
r r
rf rz
rl rz
rm rm
rn rn
rp rb
rq rq
rs rs
rt rd
s s
ss z
t d
ts c
tt t
v Ø i.e. Delete

Our text is now:

Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaaayn.

Step 5: Initial vowel clean-up

Step 5 a: triple vowels

Make sure that there are no triple vowels (e.g. aaa). Shorten them to a double vowel (e.g. aaa > aa).

Our text is now:

Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaayn.

Step 5 b: delete y after vowel

Delete any y that follows a vowel.

Inuih damarmiq inumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, imminnullu iliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaan.

Step 6: Regarding i and ii

Step 6 a: Initial i and ii

i as the first vowel of a word will transform into e, unless the next syllable has a double vowel or diphthong (i.e. combination of two different vowels), in which case it will transform to y.

ii as the first vowel of the word will transform to a simple i, unless the following consonant is q, in which case it will transform to e.

Example:

isluus > ysluus
illu > ellu
iilu > ilu
iiqar > eqar


Our text is now:

Inuih damarmiq enumnurbuh namminiirsinnaasuziqarzudiq aziriimmillu adaqqinazusiqarzudillu bisinnaadidaaviqarzudiq. Silaqazusirmiq darnillu nalumnizusianiq bilirsuraapuh, emminnullu eliurziriqadiriitariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudiriituh biqadiriinniruh anirsaan.

Step 6 b: Lonely interconsonantal i and ii

Lonely i, that is with consonants on either side of it, will transform to y, unless of the consonants on either side is q, in which case the lonely i will transform into e, or ll in which case the lonely i will remain i.

Examples:

anira > anyra
aniqa > aneqa

Interconsonantal ii will transform to i, unless one of the consonants on either side is q, in which case the lonely i will transform into e, or ll in which case the lonely ii will transform into i.

aniira > anira
aniiqa > aneqa

Our text is now:

Inuih damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzeqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazuseqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzusianeq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eliurzyreqadyritariaqaraluarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.

Step 7: Diphthongs

For the purposes of this step, a diphthong consists of two or more vowels together who are not the same vowel, e.g. iu, ui, but not uu, aa.

In the transformation to Elw, we wish to avoid diphthongs as much as possible.

Step 7 a: i + vowel

First of all we have a special rule with this type of diphthong with

Transform from Transform to
sia, tia, dia, zia ca
siu, tiu, diu, ziu cu
sio, tio, dio, zio co
siaa, tiaa, diaa, ziaa caa
siuu, tiuu, diuu, ziuu cuu
sioo, tioo, dioo, zioo coo

All other i + vowel will be dealt with as follows:

Transform from Transform to
ia, iaa aa
iu, iuu uu
io, ioo oo

Our text is now:

Inuih damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaraluarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.

Step 7 b: u + vowel

Transform from Transform to
ua, uaa aa
ui, uii e

Our text is now:

Ineh damarmeq enumnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalumnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.

Step 8: When to transform u

Finally, we will transform u (but not uu) to o before m and n. Our text is now:

Ineh damarmeq enomnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqinazusyqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalomnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh biqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan.

Comparing input and output

Input Output
Inuit tamarmik inunngorput nammineersinnaassuseqarlutik assigiimmillu ataqqinassuseqarlutillu pisinnaatitaaffeqarlutik. Silaqassusermik tarnillu nalunngissusianik pilersugaapput, imminnullu iliorfigeqatigiittariaqaraluarput qatanngutigiittut peqatigiinnerup anersaavani. Ineh damarmeq enomnurbuh nammynirsynnaasuzyqarzudeq azyrimmillu adaqqenazuseqarzudillu bysynnaadydaaveqarzudeq. Sylaqazusyrmeq darnillu nalomnyzucaneq bylyrsuraapuh, emmynnullu eluurzyreqadyritaraaqaralaarbuh qadanmudyrituh beqadyrinnyruh anyrsaan