Talk:Hurmu

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What this is

  • The recent political crisis in Hurmu has shown that the idea I had when I made Hurmu was to govern it through a list of principles (aka Malliki's bullet point treaty) would not be very effective... And as such I hoped it might be a good idea for us to actually write down the constitution, with all your input, and then have it adopted by a referendum by the Order of the Holy Lakes for extra legitimacy. 17:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

How to participate

Write your comments with an initial asterisk (*) as appropriate. For replies, add an extra asterisk (**), as appropriate, etc. Sign your comments. Ric will monitor the proposed text. Perhaps we need a Discord thing too? Ric (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

Charter of the Holy Lakes

Preamble

In the words of the ancient echo, of which our ancestors sang as they sat by the lakes of the lands of Hurmu, smiling at life and centring their eyes on peace and tranquillity, we affirm our willingness to save our children and their children for generations to come from the scourges of war and to bring them instead a future of light, hope, and better living.

We hold that all children of Ash and Elm are each other equal and are each of the greatest value immeasurable, and that they all are endowed with indisputable freedoms and rights in accordance with the ways of living of our people.

As such we believe in the Brida, the guide of our people, which we will practise in harmony and solidarity with all nature and her inhabitants, with all peoples and nations, and with all lands and lakes.

In holding that Hurmu is an open society, forming both a community of free people and a sovereign state within the community of nations, we assert the right of every peaceful Brida-respecting child of Ash and Elm to wander among the lush landscapes of Hurmu, and to settle, within the constraints of law, among these lands and these Holy Lakes.

And to these ends, we, the Electors of Hurmu, Knights and Ladies of the Holy Lakes, declare this the Charter of the Holy Lakes:

Comments

  • This is the traditional preamble to all previous Hurmu constitutions, save for the very first, and with a slight change of wording at the enactment formula of the constitution, as I think the new constitution would be best served by being adopted in a referendum by all living members of the Order of the Holy Lakes. Ric (talk) 17:16, 9 July 2022 (UTC)

The Order of the Holy Lakes

Definition

  1. The Order of the Holy Lakes is the hereditary order of chivalry, as established by the Baron of Hurmu in the year of Norton, the fifteen hundred and second, and is also a subject to the law of nations.
  2. The Order of the Holy Lakes exercises its sovereignty over Hurmu as the Order of the Holy Lakes in right of Hurmu.
  3. The Order of the Holy Lakes exercises its sovereignty or jurisdiction over other territories in accordance with Act of Senate.

Membership

General criteria
  1. Members of the Order of the Holy Lakes compromise:
    1. Each person inducted, appointed or elected to the Order
    2. Each person in the direct bloodline from 1.1
    3. Each person who is legally adopted by 1.1 or 1.2
    4. Each person who is a legal of 1.1, 1.2, and 1.3, including a widow or widower having not remarried
  2. Notwithstanding the previous clause, membership of the Order of the Holy Lakes does not extend to:
    1. Each person who has communicated his, her or their renunciation from the Order of the Holy Lakes
    2. Each person who has been expelled from the Order of the Holy Lakes
    3. Each person who derives his, her or their membership in the Order from 2.1 or 2.2 by blood, adoption or marriage
  3. Members of the Order of the Holy Lakes have a right to hold a title of chivalry:
    1. A male member of the Order of the Holy Lakes holds the title Knight of the Holy Lakes.
    2. A female member of the Order of the Holy Lakes holds the title Lady of the Holy Lakes.
    3. Any other member of the Order of the Holy Lakes holds the title Esquire of the Holy Lakes.
    4. Knights, Ladies or Esquires of the Holy Lakes who hold a right to be titled King, Queen, Prince or Princess among the Lakes, or Prince or Princess of Hurmu, shall be known by the appropriate latter title instead of knight, lady or esquire.
Renunciation
  1. Renunciation of membership in the Order of the Holy Lakes is irrevocable.
  2. The Senate of the Lakes, exercising its right as interpreter of the Charter of the Holy Lakes, is the final arbiter of the legality of any renunciation.
Expulsion
  1. If the Senate finds that a member of the Order of the Holy Lakes is guilty of treason against the Order of the Holy Lakes, or against Hurmu, or having waged war against the Order of the Holy Lakes, or against Hurmu, or in other ways brought serious danger or disrepute to the Order of the Holy Lakes, or to Hurmu, the Senate shall hold the right to expel such member from the Order of the Holy Lakes.
Electors
  1. Each member of the Order of the Holy Lakes who, in the applicable calendar year, will turn seventeen years or older, is an Elector of Order of the Holy Lakes.
    1. A female elector may be known as an Electress of the Order of the Holy Lakes.
    2. An elector or electress of the Order of the Holy Lakes may also be termed Elector of Hurmu or Electress of Hurmu.
Prince or Princess among the Lakes
King or Queen among the Lakes

Proposed structure:

  • Definition of the Order
    • Sovereign of Hurmu
    • History, blah blah
    • Symbols
  • Membership
    • By right of induction (election or appointment)
    • By right of blood
    • By right of adoption
    • By right of marriage
    • Electors
    • Loss of membership
      • "voluntary"
      • Senate removal
  • Hereditary titles
    • Prince/ss among the Lakes
    • King/Queen among the Lakes
  • Senate
    • Sovereign of the Order
    • Role in Order matters
      • Regulating role
      • Dispute-solving role
      • Chancellor (and presiding officer, "PM of the Order")
        • Commander (the "vice PM of the Order")
    • Size, etc
    • Election to the Senate
      • When
      • How
      • Who can vote
    • Senate as legislature for Hurmu
    • Senate as a supreme court for Hurmu

Hurmu

  • States and Districts
    • States
    • Districts
  • Legislative power
    • Shared with States in the States (delineation of powers)
    • Held otherwise by Parlerment
      • Senate (refer to previous section)
      • Assembly of Representatives
        • Size
        • Election
          • Lists
          • Constituencies
  • Executive power
    • Prime Minister
      • Nomination
        • As initiated by Assembly
        • As initiated by Senate
    • Cabinet
  • Judicial power
    • Courts
    • Prosecution
    • Police
  • Hurmu Peace Corps