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The '''1685 Two Martyrs constitutional convention''' began its meeting at the [[Palace of Whales]] in [[Asara Eliana]] on 18.VII.1685.  
The '''1685 Two Martyrs constitutional convention''' began its meeting at the [[Palace of Whales]] in [[Asara Eliana]] on 18.VII.1685.  
The work of the constitutional convention was complicated by the abdication of the [[West Amokolia|West Amokolian]] throne by [[Arkadius IV]] to [[Prince Kir]], causing Kir to be absent for many meetings, thus delaying the convention.
[[File:N2YEVNi.png|thumb|One proposal for the name of the new demesne was "Principality of Whales" by whaler [[Karl Battenberg]] and his sons Wilhelm and Heinrich. A proposal for a flag was also included in the proposal. Here, the green represents the Kujirashijin (Sangunese; taken from the flag of [[Greater Sangun]], the pink represents the Walstädters (Saxons, taken from the flag of [[Walstadt]]), and the white colour the peace between them.]]
In 1686, there were calls for avoiding a double-barrelled name of the new demesne in Istvanistani (as the Convention had recommended), so the Convention was delayed while studying what the name could be appropriately in the three official languages of the demesne. Accordingly, the Convention was continued on into the year 1687.
The Convention charged its chair and vice chair, Lord Kigazeki and Lady Kin'uyama, to draft a draft constitution based on the findings of the convention. They produced their [https://bastionunion.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1063&p=171732#p171732 draft constitution] on 3.VIII.1687.


== Delegates ==
== Delegates ==


* [[Prince Kir]], Viceroy of the [[Two Martyrs]]
* [[Prince Kir]], Viceroy of the [[Two Martyrs]]
* [[Daniyal ibn Daniyal Simrani-Kalirion]], Lord of Szandoh
* [[Kaiseress Rei|Áþamé Issèla Mari Vāstra]], Lady of [[Kin'uyama]]
* [[Daniyal ibn Daniyal Simrani-Kalirion]], Lord of [[Szandoh]]
* [Etc].
* [Etc].


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* Name in Sangunese: 鯨市公国, ''Kujirashi kōkoku''
* Name in Sangunese: 鯨市公国, ''Kujirashi kōkoku''
* Name in Istvanistani: ''Principality of Kujirashi-Walstadt''
* Name in Istvanistani: ''Principality of Kujirashi-Walstadt''
* City of Asara Eliana to be restored to ''Walstadt-Kujirashi'' in Istvanistani, Walstadt in Saxon, and 鯨市 (''Kujirashi'') in Sangunese.
* City of Asara Eliana to be restored to ''Walstadt-Kujirashi'' in Istvanistani, Walstadt in Saxon, and 鯨市 (''Kujirashi'') in Sangunese. ''Hal: Kujirashi-Walstadt.''
* Lordships to remain constant
* Lordships to remain constant
** Lordships to continue be organized in provinces, one of the lords to be primus inter pares among the other lords in that province
** Lordships to continue be organized in provinces, one of the lords to be primus inter pares among the other lords in that province
** Lords and rank? – ''Hal please continue here''
** Lords and rank? – ''Hal: All lords to be assessed as to their rank, degree of immediacy, type of lordship (civil/military/religious), and other privileges, basically turning us into an antarctic HRE.''
*** ''Ric: but how....? like what levels, how many... it's not like we have many lords to begin with, unless we want to fill the empty lordships with npc lords of lower rank''
*** ''Hal: Many. More than that. More even than '''that'''. And of course we'd have NPC lords.''
**** I'm confused as for the system, if you can work one out, please present it, otherwise the easiest is to just have provincial overlords, with a nice title, and all other lords of title being equal to one another – and members of the lords' families being "landless" lords/ladies?
* A House of Nobles consisting of all lords, with an upper chamber for the provincial lords, – both headed by the prince
* A House of Nobles consisting of all lords, with an upper chamber for the provincial lords, – both headed by the prince
** ''Do we want a democratic chamber too?''
** ''Do we want a democratic chamber too?'' ''Hal: Only if the House of Nobles retains primacy.'' '''So decided, democratic chamber, but with lords having supremacy.'''
* Prince Kir to be Prince of Kujirashi-Walstadt
* Prince Kir to be Prince of Kujirashi-Walstadt
* Provinces of Asara Eliana (Saxon: ''Eliä-Asaraland''; Sangunese: 恵理愛更国, ''Eriaisarakoku'')  to remain under its established name.
* Provinces of Asara Eliana (Saxon: ''Eliä-Asaraland''; Sangunese: 恵理愛更国, ''Eriaisarakoku'')  to remain under its established name.
* Island of former Birgeshir to be named ''Otaku'' (お宅, ''O-Taku''; "the honourable home", allusion to the former capital Otaq) and be reserved for safir immigration? 新宅島 Niitakushima, "new home island"?
* Island of former Birgeshir to be named ''Otaku'' (お宅, ''O-Taku''; "the honourable home", allusion to the former capital Otaq) and be reserved for safir immigration? 新宅島 Niitakushima, "new home island"? ''Hal: 新宅島 [[Shintakushima]], with capital named O-Taku.''. '''So decided.'''
* The Two Martyrs Elijah and Asara to remain revered Saints – with due devotion and respect.
* The Two Martyrs Elijah and Asara to remain revered Saints – with due devotion and respect.
* That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be despoiled, its buildings burnt, its fields sowed with salt, any Vanakarls found there put to the sword, the lands be divided amongst neighbouring lordships and its absentee lord, [[Hallbjörn Haraldsson]], be attainted.
* That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be despoiled, its buildings burnt, its fields sowed with salt, any Vanakarls found there put to the sword, the lands be divided amongst neighbouring lordships and its absentee lord, [[Hallbjörn Haraldsson]], be attainted.
** The Lord of Szandoh to cover the cost of the raid and to raise the forces necessary to carry it out.
** The Lord of Szandoh to cover the cost of the raid and to raise the forces necessary to carry it out.
** ''Hal: Counterproposal: That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be disestablished, its lands and private property divided amongst neighboring lordships, its lord attainted, and any Vanakarlar/-kvinnur to be given the choice of deprogramming or deportation to the Land Without Kings.''
** '''DECIDED''':  That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be disestablished, its lands and private property divided amongst neighboring lordships, its lord attainted, and any Vanakarlar/-kvinnur to be given the choice of deprogramming or deportation to the Green.
*Jihad to be waged against [[Karl Battenberg]] and his lineage down to the tenth generation of their descendants for the total eradication of all proponents of ''that'' flag.


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Latest revision as of 22:11, 11 August 2024

The 1685 Two Martyrs constitutional convention began its meeting at the Palace of Whales in Asara Eliana on 18.VII.1685.

The work of the constitutional convention was complicated by the abdication of the West Amokolian throne by Arkadius IV to Prince Kir, causing Kir to be absent for many meetings, thus delaying the convention.

One proposal for the name of the new demesne was "Principality of Whales" by whaler Karl Battenberg and his sons Wilhelm and Heinrich. A proposal for a flag was also included in the proposal. Here, the green represents the Kujirashijin (Sangunese; taken from the flag of Greater Sangun, the pink represents the Walstädters (Saxons, taken from the flag of Walstadt), and the white colour the peace between them.

In 1686, there were calls for avoiding a double-barrelled name of the new demesne in Istvanistani (as the Convention had recommended), so the Convention was delayed while studying what the name could be appropriately in the three official languages of the demesne. Accordingly, the Convention was continued on into the year 1687.

The Convention charged its chair and vice chair, Lord Kigazeki and Lady Kin'uyama, to draft a draft constitution based on the findings of the convention. They produced their draft constitution on 3.VIII.1687.

Delegates

Findings

  • Two Martyrs to be restored as a principality
  • Name in Saxon: Fürstentum Walstadt
  • Name in Sangunese: 鯨市公国, Kujirashi kōkoku
  • Name in Istvanistani: Principality of Kujirashi-Walstadt
  • City of Asara Eliana to be restored to Walstadt-Kujirashi in Istvanistani, Walstadt in Saxon, and 鯨市 (Kujirashi) in Sangunese. Hal: Kujirashi-Walstadt.
  • Lordships to remain constant
    • Lordships to continue be organized in provinces, one of the lords to be primus inter pares among the other lords in that province
    • Lords and rank? – Hal: All lords to be assessed as to their rank, degree of immediacy, type of lordship (civil/military/religious), and other privileges, basically turning us into an antarctic HRE.
      • Ric: but how....? like what levels, how many... it's not like we have many lords to begin with, unless we want to fill the empty lordships with npc lords of lower rank
      • Hal: Many. More than that. More even than that. And of course we'd have NPC lords.
        • I'm confused as for the system, if you can work one out, please present it, otherwise the easiest is to just have provincial overlords, with a nice title, and all other lords of title being equal to one another – and members of the lords' families being "landless" lords/ladies?
  • A House of Nobles consisting of all lords, with an upper chamber for the provincial lords, – both headed by the prince
    • Do we want a democratic chamber too? Hal: Only if the House of Nobles retains primacy. So decided, democratic chamber, but with lords having supremacy.
  • Prince Kir to be Prince of Kujirashi-Walstadt
  • Provinces of Asara Eliana (Saxon: Eliä-Asaraland; Sangunese: 恵理愛更国, Eriaisarakoku) to remain under its established name.
  • Island of former Birgeshir to be named Otaku (お宅, O-Taku; "the honourable home", allusion to the former capital Otaq) and be reserved for safir immigration? 新宅島 Niitakushima, "new home island"? Hal: 新宅島 Shintakushima, with capital named O-Taku.. So decided.
  • The Two Martyrs Elijah and Asara to remain revered Saints – with due devotion and respect.
  • That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be despoiled, its buildings burnt, its fields sowed with salt, any Vanakarls found there put to the sword, the lands be divided amongst neighbouring lordships and its absentee lord, Hallbjörn Haraldsson, be attainted.
    • The Lord of Szandoh to cover the cost of the raid and to raise the forces necessary to carry it out.
    • Hal: Counterproposal: That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be disestablished, its lands and private property divided amongst neighboring lordships, its lord attainted, and any Vanakarlar/-kvinnur to be given the choice of deprogramming or deportation to the Land Without Kings.
    • DECIDED: That the Lordship of Elfinschenheide be disestablished, its lands and private property divided amongst neighboring lordships, its lord attainted, and any Vanakarlar/-kvinnur to be given the choice of deprogramming or deportation to the Green.
  • Jihad to be waged against Karl Battenberg and his lineage down to the tenth generation of their descendants for the total eradication of all proponents of that flag.