[Beaugium] Removal Request [added to paint map]

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 2:39 pm

At least Max has the maturity to be constructive.

Max, I will put the issue to the Lovely people at once. Thank you for your map.

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:08 pm

I agree, that looks quite reasonable Max, thanks for that.

Thoughts on Psycotia (near Alexandrian island by Eura) and The Collins Isles (near Oscland/Numenor whatever it is now.)

Post by **dr-spangle** » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:22 pm

Numenor with a CIS placeholder

Zatriarch Maximillideus · Fri Mar 16, 2007 6:27 am

At least Max has the maturity to be constructive.
Max, I will put the issue to the Lovely people at once. Thank you for your map.

Thankyou Guy. And whilst I can see your argument, I do sympathise with Benkern in that every member must follow the rules or leave. I'm being lenient and, I hope, reasonable, but in the long run, if you are asked to leave you must do so. But I think you probably do deserve some land.

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Fri Mar 16, 2007 2:29 pm

Zatriarch Maximillideus wrote:
if you are asked to leave you must do so
Don't think so. However, I will be asking if any other citizens would like to take this role on. Sadly, I don't think they will

Zatriarch Maximillideus · Sat Mar 17, 2007 3:10 am

No, I'm sorry. You're not untouchable. If the MCS votes you off the map, you jolly well leave it. Those are part of the terms and conditions of this society, and as a member of it, you're obliged to follow them.
I've been quite lenient towards Lovely, but you must understand that rules are rules. The Kingdom of Lovely, in the eyes of the administration, is no different to any other Micran nation, no matter how much fame you've had. Is that quite clear?

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:57 am

Thought you meant me personally. My bad.

Don't be silly, if they voted Lovely off then they would just remove it, it's not like we'd be able to do anything

Post by **Pete** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 9:29 am

we dont mind people hanging around the boards. Just as long as there not rebelling, by... like... smoking cigarettes that they can leagally buy in shops!!

Post by **Craitman** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:28 pm

Pete wrote:smoking cigarettes that they can leagally buy in shops!!

or getting people who can legally buy cigarettes for them, because they're under the legal age...
talking from past experience...

Post by **dr-spangle** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 4:52 pm

that reminds me of my last PDP lesson...

"should smokers be allowed to smoke in school?"

"yes, but only if they wear orange badges on their arm so people know to stay away from them, and they are only allowed to smoke in a hydrogen gas tank at the end of the feild"

to hell with ethics.

Post by **Craitman** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:02 pm

PDP? i'm guessing that's like our old PSMD/SE

Post by **dr-spangle** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:34 pm

it's always had different names... PSHE, PDP it just changes...

Post by **Craitman** » Sat Mar 17, 2007 5:38 pm

it's General Studies now though, as i'm in college

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:34 pm

PSE, PSHE in Y9, SD... whatever

(Thats Personal, Social Education. Personal Social Health Education (encorporating Careers) or Student Development.)

Post by **Craitman** » Mon Mar 19, 2007 5:36 pm

the "D" in one of ours stood for drugs, but no-one knew what the others meant... not even the teachers

Graius · Post by **Graius** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 7:55 am

Since I was one of the people who helped bring Lovely into the micronational sphere, and helped with their original MCS application, I'll briefly explain the application and what was running through Kieran's mind when it happened.

1. I talk to Kieran;
2. I suggest MCS membership;
3. I point out that a nice area of green land next to Treithar that some of which could be claimed;
4. Kieran claims whole lot, ignored that I'd had a tacit agreement with Ryan and others to make an eastern expansion some time later - browbeats about the issue;
5. MCS Administration refuses on the grounds that it's just a big blob of orange with nothing marked;
6. Kieran has a rant at me;
7. I suggest subdivisions, capitals, towns, cities etc. based on names used in Lovely, prominent citizens, forums etc.
8. Within a day Kieran has done so.

So in reality there's no real sentimental attachment, just Kieran doing what he had to to better facilitate being an intermicronational power. All attachments, whilst still valid, are subsequent.

Swamp Candle · Post by **Swamp Candle** » Thu Apr 26, 2007 1:49 pm

please appreciate that i've missed most of this conversation but why are we talking about removing lovely from the map?

*looks longingly at the piece of land*

Zatriarch Maximillideus · Fri Apr 27, 2007 4:57 am

please appreciate that i've missed most of this conversation but why are we talking about removing lovely from the map?

Because Lovely as a unified micronation doesn't exist anymore. If it did, why would some of its citizens decide to make Lovely Mark 2 (Houland) and Lovely mark 3 (Beaugium)?
Danny doesn't care about it anymore, practically no Lovelians seem to be bothered with general elections or actually simulating a micronation anymore, and the entire place is just in general disarray.
I know Guy will now mention www.lovelycountry.org to me, but I ask him why, if Lovely is unified, it needs so many forums?
Besides, at least a reduction is necessary- there are loads of other nations which could actually do something with that large swathe of MCS land. Be generous!

Oh, and thanks, Ben for your input on this matter. I'm sure 'twill prove very useful.

chris288 · Post by **chris288** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:23 am

Houland might not like being called "Lovely Mark 2"

Swamp Candle · Post by **Swamp Candle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:17 am

thank you max for clearing that up for me

*gazes longingly at lovleys land again*

Zatriarch Maximillideus · Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:15 pm

Houland might not like being called "Lovely Mark 2"

It was meant jokingly

But then again, there is a rather strong link between Lovely and Houland. Stronger than a regular alliance, for sure...

Post by **dr-spangle** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 12:25 pm

that's becazuse they're run by the same person... it's a double nation

Post by **Craitman** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:15 pm

dr-spangle wrote:it's a double nation

not that you have anything against that Spangle...

chris288 · Post by **chris288** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 1:56 pm

Spangle, aren't you the leader of something like 4 nations.

kingj · Post by **kingj** » Fri Apr 27, 2007 3:21 pm

No he just holds high positions in about 10