Administration Council

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Sun May 13, 2007 2:46 pm

Myself and Craitman believe that the Admin Council should represent the members of the MCS and thus should be elected by the members of the MCS.

Two members out of a total of 34/36 Active Nations.

This is of course, up for debate.

Nathan of Natopia · Post by **Nathan of Natopia** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:04 pm

The matter of representation has always been the problem with the Admin Council system. I still think our council is more efficient than the GSO board, which is directly elected by the membership. The best times of the MCS were when Ryan ran it by himself as a private enterprise. Now that management has been diversified it is now oligarchical instead of monarchical. I think the Council as it exists now does fine.

One compromise I've always suggested is the addition of 2 or 3 elected "watch dog" admins that serve terms of 4 months or so. They should not be from a nation already "represented" on the Council. With two or three voices, the disenfranchised members can have a credible voice on the Council, but they will not hold a majority to stifle actions of the Council. This would be somewhat similar in principal to the rotating seats on the UN Security Council.

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:06 pm

Sounds good.

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:09 pm

I naturally support this move (Babs and Craitman's). Any democracy is good.

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:11 pm

Proposal: Some if not all (bar Aministrator General) Administrative Council members to be elected periodically by members of the Micronational Cartography Society.

Craitman: Aye
Babs: Aye
ISIT: Aye
Nathan: Sort of said Aye (feel free to correct me there)

Running Tally: 4/34 nations 11.7647% Aye, 88.2353% Nay

Post by **Craitman** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:18 pm

Babs wrote:88.2353%

...yet to vote Aye or Nay

Nathan of Natopia · Post by **Nathan of Natopia** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:20 pm

Does any one have an up to date list of who is on the council now and what duties they perform on the council?

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:21 pm

Current Council Members:

Pete James (Pete) - Administrator General - obvious
(Dr-spangle) - Technical Advisor - Not quite sure what that entails
Max Edwards (Max) - Special Cartographer (population/density maps) No population maps have arisen since Vehendi's
(Vilhelm von Benkern) - Administrator of the Apollo Foundation - Not much done in the AF for weeks now
James Richter (St.Fenix) - Secretary - as spangle.

Post by **Craitman** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:21 pm

people I know/think are on the council

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Pete
Spangle
Vilhelm
Big Z
Fenix

Post by **dr-spangle** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:22 pm

Pete James (Pete) - Administrator General
(Dr-spangle) - Technical Advisor
Max Edwards (Max) - Special Cartographer (population/density maps)
(Vilhelm von Benkern) - Administrator of the Apollo Foundation
James Richter (St.Fenix) - Secretary

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:23 pm

three posts containing the same info...

Post by **Craitman** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:24 pm

they just copied the website, i used me memory...

Post by **dr-spangle** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:25 pm

Babs wrote:Current Council Members:

Pete James (Pete) - Administrator General - obvious
(Dr-spangle) - Technical Advisor - Not quite sure what that entails
Max Edwards (Max) - Special Cartographer (population/density maps) No population maps have arisen since Vehendi's
(Vilhelm von Benkern) - Administrator of the Apollo Foundation - Not much done in the AF for weeks now
James Richter (St.Fenix) - Secretary - as spangle.

i have to manage the website and forum that is what techie is.

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:25 pm

three posts containing the same info...

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:28 pm

max should be replaced, he doesnt do anything, why is there an AF member?

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:29 pm

Those declaring that I do nothing should note that I do help out with the movement of threads and voting in the Council.

I'm for the elections myself, and I agree 110% with Nathan's post. This is exactly what I have devised, along with a few small alterations (clarifications so it actually works).

Post by **Craitman** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:29 pm

better to have one person managing all that stuff than everyone jumping in on it?

Nathan of Natopia · Post by **Nathan of Natopia** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:29 pm

Thank you... all of you, lol.

With all due respect to Max, the special cartographer position has not produced any maps. A secretary may not be necessary as Pete performs many administrative duties. And indeed the Apollo Foundation for some reason has a voice on the Council.

If those three positions are turned into electable positions while Pete and spangle remain permanent members, then I really do think the efficiency of the council will remain while satisfying democracy.

Edit: I'm meaning *not* to say that you're not doing anything Benkern, I'm just curious as to why the AF was put on the council in the first place. Might as well put the FMF and MI on the council too is all I'm saying.

Babs · Post by **Babs** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:30 pm

@ISIT:

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:31 pm

Guido Zambelis wrote:max should be replaced, he doesnt do anything

Hmm. He's on leave. I think you can cut him a little slack.

Guido Zambelis · Post by **Guido Zambelis** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:31 pm

@ nathan: I support that.

@benkern:

Post by **dr-spangle** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:31 pm

nathan, i do the topic moving and council thread creating and votew logging

but i'm in support of the elected council member.

Post by **Craitman** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:31 pm

Nathan of Natopia wrote:I really do think the efficiency of the council will remain while satisfying democracy.

which is what we want...

Nathan of Natopia · Post by **Nathan of Natopia** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:34 pm

@spangle: i know, thats why i suggested you remain as a permanent.

And about max being on LOA... he's not been on a LOA the whole time he's been on the council...

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Sun May 13, 2007 3:37 pm

I wouldn't say there's a need for democracy, but I think it would work. It's true that the 'Golden Days' were of Ryan's "dictatorship" as some less tastefully like to put it, and given the choice I would choose a sole leader like Ryan over a democratic system, but for a start there are not currently any proper satisfactory applicants for that position and second no one would allow it. The idea that the MCS is a business is the best one, because it is, and as for democracy in a business - an Office would not have elected regional managers, to put it simply.

Max not being on Leave and doing nothing is a fair point. I'm just saying that right now you could give him a little wiggle room. He doesn't have a whole lotta free time - boarding school'll do that to you, I guess.