Administration Council
Administration Council
Myself and Craitman believe that the Admin Council should represent the members of the MCS and thus should be elected by the members of the MCS.
Two members out of a total of 34/36 Active Nations.
This is of course, up for debate.
Two members out of a total of 34/36 Active Nations.
This is of course, up for debate.
High Prince Babs, Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Pete wrote:I have a face
Pete wrote:because you've just had a lard expansion
Guido Zambelis wrote:No, I'm gay.
Andreas the Wise wrote: So we have a 30% share in giant swordfish ... could work ...
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The matter of representation has always been the problem with the Admin Council system. I still think our council is more efficient than the GSO board, which is directly elected by the membership. The best times of the MCS were when Ryan ran it by himself as a private enterprise. Now that management has been diversified it is now oligarchical instead of monarchical. I think the Council as it exists now does fine.
One compromise I've always suggested is the addition of 2 or 3 elected "watch dog" admins that serve terms of 4 months or so. They should not be from a nation already "represented" on the Council. With two or three voices, the disenfranchised members can have a credible voice on the Council, but they will not hold a majority to stifle actions of the Council. This would be somewhat similar in principal to the rotating seats on the UN Security Council.
One compromise I've always suggested is the addition of 2 or 3 elected "watch dog" admins that serve terms of 4 months or so. They should not be from a nation already "represented" on the Council. With two or three voices, the disenfranchised members can have a credible voice on the Council, but they will not hold a majority to stifle actions of the Council. This would be somewhat similar in principal to the rotating seats on the UN Security Council.
HSM Nathan, SBH, GCY, KGCO, KCE, KG, KS, GOLH, NM, SOB
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
Sounds good.
High Prince Babs, Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Pete wrote:I have a face
Pete wrote:because you've just had a lard expansion
Guido Zambelis wrote:No, I'm gay.
Andreas the Wise wrote: So we have a 30% share in giant swordfish ... could work ...
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I naturally support this move (Babs and Craitman's). Any democracy is good.
Guido Zambelis
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
Proposal: Some if not all (bar Aministrator General) Administrative Council members to be elected periodically by members of the Micronational Cartography Society.
Craitman: Aye
Babs: Aye
ISIT: Aye
Nathan: Sort of said Aye (feel free to correct me there)
Running Tally: 4/34 nations 11.7647% Aye, 88.2353% Nay
Craitman: Aye
Babs: Aye
ISIT: Aye
Nathan: Sort of said Aye (feel free to correct me there)
Running Tally: 4/34 nations 11.7647% Aye, 88.2353% Nay
High Prince Babs, Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Pete wrote:I have a face
Pete wrote:because you've just had a lard expansion
Guido Zambelis wrote:No, I'm gay.
Andreas the Wise wrote: So we have a 30% share in giant swordfish ... could work ...
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...yet to vote Aye or NayBabs wrote:88.2353%
Craitman H. Pellegrino CrA; CY; HGH; NM; SOB; WSA
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Ten-four Rubber Duck
I (yes that's me, Craitman) wrote:I'm just so quotable
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Putting a claim into the MCS Administration Council is like sticking your Arm into a large peice of industrial machinery - it probably won't come out, but if it does, it'll have changed alot from how you remember it.
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Does any one have an up to date list of who is on the council now and what duties they perform on the council?
HSM Nathan, SBH, GCY, KGCO, KCE, KG, KS, GOLH, NM, SOB
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
Current Council Members:
Pete James (Pete) - Administrator General - obvious
(Dr-spangle) - Technical Advisor - Not quite sure what that entails
Max Edwards (Max) - Special Cartographer (population/density maps) No population maps have arisen since Vehendi's
(Vilhelm von Benkern) - Administrator of the Apollo Foundation - Not much done in the AF for weeks now
James Richter (St.Fenix) - Secretary - as spangle.
Pete James (Pete) - Administrator General - obvious
(Dr-spangle) - Technical Advisor - Not quite sure what that entails
Max Edwards (Max) - Special Cartographer (population/density maps) No population maps have arisen since Vehendi's
(Vilhelm von Benkern) - Administrator of the Apollo Foundation - Not much done in the AF for weeks now
James Richter (St.Fenix) - Secretary - as spangle.
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High Prince Babs, Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Pete wrote:I have a face
Pete wrote:because you've just had a lard expansion
Guido Zambelis wrote:No, I'm gay.
Andreas the Wise wrote: So we have a 30% share in giant swordfish ... could work ...
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people I know/think are on the council -
Pete
Spangle
Vilhelm
Big Z
Fenix
Pete
Spangle
Vilhelm
Big Z
Fenix
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Craitman H. Pellegrino CrA; CY; HGH; NM; SOB; WSA
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Ten-four Rubber Duck
I (yes that's me, Craitman) wrote:I'm just so quotable
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Putting a claim into the MCS Administration Council is like sticking your Arm into a large peice of industrial machinery - it probably won't come out, but if it does, it'll have changed alot from how you remember it.
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three posts containing the same info...
High Prince Babs, Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Pete wrote:I have a face
Pete wrote:because you've just had a lard expansion
Guido Zambelis wrote:No, I'm gay.
Andreas the Wise wrote: So we have a 30% share in giant swordfish ... could work ...
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they just copied the website, i used me memory...
Craitman H. Pellegrino CrA; CY; HGH; NM; SOB; WSA
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Ten-four Rubber Duck
I (yes that's me, Craitman) wrote:I'm just so quotable
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Putting a claim into the MCS Administration Council is like sticking your Arm into a large peice of industrial machinery - it probably won't come out, but if it does, it'll have changed alot from how you remember it.
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i have to manage the website and forum that is what techie is.Babs wrote:Current Council Members:
Pete James (Pete) - Administrator General - obvious
(Dr-spangle) - Technical Advisor - Not quite sure what that entails
Max Edwards (Max) - Special Cartographer (population/density maps) No population maps have arisen since Vehendi's
(Vilhelm von Benkern) - Administrator of the Apollo Foundation - Not much done in the AF for weeks now
James Richter (St.Fenix) - Secretary - as spangle.
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three posts containing the same info...
Guido Zambelis
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
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max should be replaced, he doesnt do anything, why is there an AF member?
Guido Zambelis
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
- Colonel Vilhelm
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Those declaring that I do nothing should note that I do help out with the movement of threads and voting in the Council.
I'm for the elections myself, and I agree 110% with Nathan's post. This is exactly what I have devised, along with a few small alterations (clarifications so it actually works).
I'm for the elections myself, and I agree 110% with Nathan's post. This is exactly what I have devised, along with a few small alterations (clarifications so it actually works).
Colonel Vilhelm von Benkern - Preserving the Memories
(Regardless of whose those may be)
(Regardless of whose those may be)
-Greg "Gman" Russel, 20th July 2006The old guard is going away. A new dawn is rising. May the next generation build and learn from us. This world is yours.
Bill wrote:Only in micronationalism can I see two women argue about the solution to an equation I posted that has no real purpose...
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better to have one person managing all that stuff than everyone jumping in on it?
Craitman H. Pellegrino CrA; CY; HGH; NM; SOB; WSA
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Ten-four Rubber Duck
I (yes that's me, Craitman) wrote:I'm just so quotable
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Putting a claim into the MCS Administration Council is like sticking your Arm into a large peice of industrial machinery - it probably won't come out, but if it does, it'll have changed alot from how you remember it.
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Thank you... all of you, lol.
With all due respect to Max, the special cartographer position has not produced any maps. A secretary may not be necessary as Pete performs many administrative duties. And indeed the Apollo Foundation for some reason has a voice on the Council.
If those three positions are turned into electable positions while Pete and spangle remain permanent members, then I really do think the efficiency of the council will remain while satisfying democracy.
Edit: I'm meaning *not* to say that you're not doing anything Benkern, I'm just curious as to why the AF was put on the council in the first place. Might as well put the FMF and MI on the council too is all I'm saying.
With all due respect to Max, the special cartographer position has not produced any maps. A secretary may not be necessary as Pete performs many administrative duties. And indeed the Apollo Foundation for some reason has a voice on the Council.
If those three positions are turned into electable positions while Pete and spangle remain permanent members, then I really do think the efficiency of the council will remain while satisfying democracy.
Edit: I'm meaning *not* to say that you're not doing anything Benkern, I'm just curious as to why the AF was put on the council in the first place. Might as well put the FMF and MI on the council too is all I'm saying.
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HSM Nathan, SBH, GCY, KGCO, KCE, KG, KS, GOLH, NM, SOB
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
@ISIT:
High Prince Babs, Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
KCMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MMNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
MNOP, - Kingdom of Lovely
SOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
POOG, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
HCrC, - Kingdom of Craiteland
H-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
E-DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Whitesnake Award, - Kingdom of Durntkinstan
DOB, - Grand Principality of Beaugium
Pete wrote:I have a face
Pete wrote:because you've just had a lard expansion
Guido Zambelis wrote:No, I'm gay.
Andreas the Wise wrote: So we have a 30% share in giant swordfish ... could work ...
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Hmm. He's on leave. I think you can cut him a little slack.Guido Zambelis wrote:max should be replaced, he doesnt do anything
Colonel Vilhelm von Benkern - Preserving the Memories
(Regardless of whose those may be)
(Regardless of whose those may be)
-Greg "Gman" Russel, 20th July 2006The old guard is going away. A new dawn is rising. May the next generation build and learn from us. This world is yours.
Bill wrote:Only in micronationalism can I see two women argue about the solution to an equation I posted that has no real purpose...
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@ nathan: I support that.
@benkern:
@benkern:
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Guido Zambelis
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
The Rt Hon The Viscount Eden KMNOP
Senior Minister of Foreign Affairs, Kingdom of Lovely
HM King Guy I of the Kingdom of Houland
(Formerly IS IT)
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which is what we want...Nathan of Natopia wrote:I really do think the efficiency of the council will remain while satisfying democracy.
Craitman H. Pellegrino CrA; CY; HGH; NM; SOB; WSA
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
FMF President
Lord of Humour
King of Cräiteland
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Ten-four Rubber Duck
I (yes that's me, Craitman) wrote:I'm just so quotable
Colonel Vilhelm wrote:Putting a claim into the MCS Administration Council is like sticking your Arm into a large peice of industrial machinery - it probably won't come out, but if it does, it'll have changed alot from how you remember it.
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@spangle: i know, thats why i suggested you remain as a permanent.
And about max being on LOA... he's not been on a LOA the whole time he's been on the council...
And about max being on LOA... he's not been on a LOA the whole time he's been on the council...
HSM Nathan, SBH, GCY, KGCO, KCE, KG, KS, GOLH, NM, SOB
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
Sovereign Natopian Emperor,
Duke of Ziegeland,
Lord Protector of Flaventia,
Duke of Dekinai City,
Earl of Lindstrom,
Marquis of Lukanburg
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I wouldn't say there's a need for democracy, but I think it would work. It's true that the 'Golden Days' were of Ryan's "dictatorship" as some less tastefully like to put it, and given the choice I would choose a sole leader like Ryan over a democratic system, but for a start there are not currently any proper satisfactory applicants for that position and second no one would allow it. The idea that the MCS is a business is the best one, because it is, and as for democracy in a business - an Office would not have elected regional managers, to put it simply.
Max not being on Leave and doing nothing is a fair point. I'm just saying that right now you could give him a little wiggle room. He doesn't have a whole lotta free time - boarding school'll do that to you, I guess.
Max not being on Leave and doing nothing is a fair point. I'm just saying that right now you could give him a little wiggle room. He doesn't have a whole lotta free time - boarding school'll do that to you, I guess.
Colonel Vilhelm von Benkern - Preserving the Memories
(Regardless of whose those may be)
(Regardless of whose those may be)
-Greg "Gman" Russel, 20th July 2006The old guard is going away. A new dawn is rising. May the next generation build and learn from us. This world is yours.
Bill wrote:Only in micronationalism can I see two women argue about the solution to an equation I posted that has no real purpose...