The Numenorian Gift to Oscland:

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The Numenorian Gift to Oscland:

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http://www.micromaps.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1156

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Should we allow it?

Personally since New Oscland just got on I believe we should wait for it to merit more land before we can allow the gift itself.

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I say no.
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I say yes, but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to vote. I'm Numenorean, but we're actually losing land. So I say I'm allowed to vote, and Aye.
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if i'm allowed to vote i vote YES
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Neither of you are.
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for reasons stated above, I still believe that Oscland is too new upon the map. (again) let us give them a week or two, allowing Brittania to keep the land, and then allowing it to trade hands.

So my vote is: Ja in two weeks

Until then: Nein

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if max votes yes then it's a yes in two weeks, untill then it's a no...
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am i allowed to vote? i've been chucked out of oscland now for trying to protect it from becoming a post-per-month member of GC...
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No, at the time the vote was started you were a member...
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i couldn't now anyway... but it doesn't say at the time of starting the votes anywhere... not even in notes...


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So... if we say 'no', does that mean that it stays Numenorian, or it reverts to unclaimed land?
Surely if Numenor are willing to give the land up, they haven't any objection if it becomes nobody's territory.
I say- NEIN, for the same reasons Fenix stated.
But maybe in a week or two, it could become Osclandish.
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Post by Pete »

they keep it. but the part I dont like is this:


Númenor will make up part of the lost pixels (not all)

thats them giving land and getting it back. Jeremy is trying to play us for fools.

NO (again)
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Post by St. Fenix »

indeed, the lost pixels part does have me worried, especially as New Brittania is gaining land at a large clip, even now they are still gaining it with little return in General culture and contribution to Micronationalism. This is not to belittle what they have already given us, but that what they have does not merit more, and I believe that giving them more land will remedy the situation.

I'm still fine with the gift, however I believe I will probably deny the claim they will make in return, even though it has been some time since the last time they claimed.

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well next month they have a large expantion coming up already.
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Please don't consider this a reduction, it's a gift to Oscland. Jeremy is not trying to go against the MCS in any way, we're losing Duchies and such things which must be replaced lest our Dukes get angry that they're no longer on the map. Numenor would basically move and give that land to Oscland. The other expansion is a separate issue, which can be discussed, but not in relation to this, as they are two separate things.

I'm bias, yes, but I won't allow the name of Numenor and its King to be besmearched (or however you spell that) in this Council.
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Besmirched Komrade. ;)

And no I do not in any way Besmirch the Numenorian King, no I have always had respect for the Numenorians, and indeed for their work.

But I do believe that Numenor's past expansions and modification do factor into the future ones, as well as this gift. It is important because many nations don't ask of many expansions and some do, I do believe that this has some importance to the council.

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i don't like the we will make up the lost pixels part... i'm going to have a talk to jeremy...
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*ahem*

I do believe we need to take care of this.

What is the verdict? yes in two weeks?

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it's a yes on saturday.
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4:37pm today and it's a yes...
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no its currently 2-1 against.

Spangle and Vilhelm cant vote.
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max said yes in a week or two, so you take the average, so he's a yes by now

and fenix is a yes

so yes_stamp
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no. Max said maybe.

still open.
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so now we have to wait for max... again.
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YAWM.

(Yet Another Wait for Max) :P
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