[Claim]Oscland, Confederate Kingdoms of

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Sun Apr 08, 2007 2:20 pm

Claim thread:
http://www.micromaps.org/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=1103

The Lazy option:

Oscland has been on the map before, they're consistently active in varying degrees. Great website and forum design. Big claim, but I think they can manage it; although I recommend keeping an eye on them to make sure. The one problem? No flag. But that's being supplied as we speak.

I vote Aye.

EDIT: The flag has been added.

Post by **Pete** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:26 am

OUI to 2 provences.

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:30 am

Which two?

Post by **Pete** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 9:32 am

they can choose

St. Fenix · Post by **St. Fenix** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 12:05 pm

I agree, they are active and long established, but they have a propensity to go in and out rather often, especially since this will be their 3rd time claiming. (to my knowledge) so I believe two provinces is more then enough. In fact I would like if they just claimed the province: "Royal Kingdom" The claim itself is rather large.

So my vote is: Ja but only barely. And even then this is only to two provinces, not three.

-St. Fenix

Post by **dr-spangle** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:18 pm

they can't just have two provinces... the whole government is based about it having 3...

Post by **dr-spangle** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 1:32 pm

they went "in and out" because the GC forbids members clasiming on MCS...

Oscland is more active than numenor for a start...

oscland: 17.7364
numenor: 14.3343

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:06 pm

The Council has spoken.

Aye - 1 (Vilhelm)
Aye (2 prov.) - 2 (Pete, Fenix)
Unable to vote - 1 (Spangle)
Hasn't voted - 1 (Max)

When Max votes, its either a recount or Aye to 2 provinces.

St. Fenix · Post by **St. Fenix** » Mon Apr 09, 2007 4:18 pm

they went "in and out" because the GC forbids members clasiming on MCS...

Oscland is more active than numenor for a start...

oscland: 17.7364
numenor: 14.3343

oh well, they are still without a presence on the MCS map, and we should stick to giving members smaller amounts of land to begin with, I am still in the belief that we should give nations that have no presence on the MCS, smaller amounts of land so that we can allow them to expand rather then simply give them a ton of land from the beggining.

they can't just have two provinces... the whole government is based about it having 3...

let them re-organize, they can carve three smaller provinces out of the two that they would get if the council agrees upon two. We don't force them to use the land, we give them the amount of land as they need and let them deal with it.

-St. Fenix

Zatriarch Maximillideus · Tue Apr 10, 2007 1:22 am

Yes (to two provinces)

Post by **Pete** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:40 am

Two Provences:
yes_stamp

One Provence:
no_stamp

Post by **Pete** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:04 am

new claim:
OUI

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 11:07 am

St. Fenix · Post by **St. Fenix** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:19 pm

Upon copying and posititioning the new claim over the old one, we find that the land size itself has only gotten marginally smaller, not much. I will give them my yes to the current claim, only if they rid themselves of the two northern islands.

But until then: Ja (to two provinces only.)

-St. Fenix

Zatriarch Maximillideus · Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:29 pm

I still think their claim is a little too big. If they get rid of at least three of those Northern Islands, I'll say YES.

Post by **Pete** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 6:56 pm

I'll agree with Fenix

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:14 pm

No offence, but Fenix, what you say doesn't make sense. We agreed to 2/3 the size of their claim earlier (2 provinces out of 3) - they reduced it by a third. A third is quite a margin, cormade!

At least, this is what I'm told. I haven't counted the pixels myself.

Post by **Pete** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 7:29 pm

some one count the pixels

Post by **dr-spangle** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 8:01 pm

i'm too lazy...i don't get paid enough so i'm trying to make some money...

St. Fenix · Post by **St. Fenix** » Tue Apr 10, 2007 9:02 pm

they reduced it by a third.

according to them, let us get the pixels counted and then I will change my vote. It still seems rather big personally, and transposing them over one another through the use of paint shows them to be very much alike. I don't think that the reduction is that large. but if it is indeed a third. then I will change my vote.

Do remember that I gave them an option to get rid of two islands to get my yes, which is actually giving them more then my Current yes. I am proving in this instance their quickness and want of MCS land. As well as trying to cut the claim down since I am trying to get some smaller claims on the MCS, not such huge ones.

Spangle, I would be asking alot, but I will compliment you should you choose to count those pixels as well as relay the relevent Information from myself and others to the Claim thread itself.

-St. Fenix

Colonel Vilhelm · Post by **Colonel Vilhelm** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 9:39 am

New Claim

201 x 217 = 43617
29 x 16 = 464
6 x 4 = 24
28 x 14 = 392
18 x 21 = 378
29 x 32 = 928
21 x 27 = 567
18 x 23 = 414
111 x 176 = 19536
13 x 13 = 169

= 66489

Original Claim

301 x 285 = 85785
53 x 23 = 1219
11 x 9 = 99
3 x 3 = 9
57 x 46 = 2622

= 89734

Counted them myself.

St. Fenix · Post by **St. Fenix** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 11:41 am

ok, Now to get the third:

Orginal Claim: 89734

89734/3 = 29911.333 ( or in other words, all numbers after the "." are unneccesary numbers for these basic operations)

the third is then: 89734-29911 which = 59823 Which is exactly (well close to it) one third less.

The new claim is: 66489

the new claim is exactly 6666 pixels larger then a third. (my god, what a coincidence.

)

Thusly beacause they are over 6666 pixels, I believe that the removal of the two northern islands is still a reasonable request. (It in not 6666 pixels being removed, but just a bit more to make the claim look a little more reasonable, they don't have to have exactly 1/3rd of their old claim.

So I'm not nearly as Anal as I appear. )

Thusly my orginal request still stands: My Ja for the removal of the two norther islands.

as always Comrade Spangle, please do the honors of communicating for us, since you seem especially well connected to Oscland itself. If memory serves right, that was your first nation correct?

-St. Fenix

Post by **dr-spangle** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 1:36 pm

no... unlike many people [cough]fenix[/cough] i stayed with my first nation...

New-Empire.. been running for almost 2 years now.
New Oscland is simply one of my favorite ones to post at :P

i can't get photo filtre working... i'll use vilhelms idea

size of new nsawam (which was going to be removed):
74*68
30*65
55*16
8*37
48*5
51*4
11*15
5*13
4*11
3*10
13*3
30*4
17*4
9*4
4*5
18*11
22*8
5*4
11*7
24*34
10*6
11*18
7*6
16*6
3*7

and remnants:
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
50
51

so thats...
11594 pixels...

old oscland claim was 89734 pixels

old oscland claim without new nsawam: 78140

new oscland claim: 66489

they could have 11651 pixels more technically.

St. Fenix · Post by **St. Fenix** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 3:17 pm

no... unlike many people [cough]fenix[/cough] i stayed with my first nation...

for what? Loyalty Comrade? Tradition for Tradition's sake is not much of a policy, especially when it inhibits the abilities of the person who uses it.

So what has New-Empire Produced that is so ground-breaking and so instrumental to Micronationalism, wait, we don't even have to go that far. What has New-Empire done recently that has gotten the entire Micronational world, GSO and MCS abuzz with the creative, or new idea that came out beacause of it?

No I moved on for good Reason, Middle Korea was something that I myself knew couldn't last forever and as time went on I got more and more wise to the workings of Micronationalism, and I have hopes that I will build something that will last into Micronational history.

what about yourself?

they could have 11651 pixels more technically.

Spangle we weren't getting rid of New Nsawam for the reason that we wanted them to get rid of that part of their coutry, we merely said choose one section and get rid of it, effectively cutting off a third of the land itself. We wanted an entire third to be gone from the claim to allow the claim to be of a reasonable size to be on the MCS map. We let them choose the part to get rid of beacause of the very reason we wanted them to choose the shape of their nation, and effectively half it for us.

Either way, I still believe that the MCS Administration has shown that it wishes to half that third taken out just as well, but I can't be sure so thusly I ask all Administration Comrades to make their feelings upon this matter known.

Personally I believe that cutting the original down a third was the original intent of the MCS administration and thusly go with that.

-St. Fenix

Post by **dr-spangle** » Wed Apr 11, 2007 4:02 pm

but you said remove one province and many suggested new nsawam. if they had removed new nsawam, reorganised then moved and slightly de-expanded you would allow it...