Micronational trade
- Andreas the Wise
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People who can't be bothered to read ... fine, I'll do the summary:
* Resources are measured in Percentages. This allows for easy comparison and saves the trouble of working out how much gold you mine per second. A resource your land covers is 100%. A resource you are reasonably near could be anywhere up to 50% (see Fish Argument). You may also have deals with other micronations to accesss a percent of their resources.
Where two micronations share a resource evenly, both have 100%.
We also allow "Cultural Resources" for small nations.
*Resources are restored (remined) monthly, and so each set of trade is conducted for a month. You can't accumulate them.
*You order resources from someone else in the organisation, telling them how much (eg 20%) and what price (say 500). If lots of people want the resource, you offer a higher price to ensure you get it. Economics of Supply and Demand works.
*Price is in Trade Credits, which cannot be exchanged into other currencies to avoid disputes over value.
*Those who want to may also pursue economic goals, designed to show levels of material living standards of your citizens. They're found on the first post here:
http://www.novatainia.org/forum/viewtop ... c&start=20
Finally, there is a point for resources.
*Even if you don't want to trade towards economic goals, you can still buy and sell resources as you like. Those nations with an Economy can float simulation companies that produce the resources, and then use the money from the float to pay out dividends based on how well the price of that resource is doing. This is about the only viable way to do a stockexchange, because just making it up is silly, and none of us have enough people buying stocks for it to work normally without dividends.
There, that help?
* Resources are measured in Percentages. This allows for easy comparison and saves the trouble of working out how much gold you mine per second. A resource your land covers is 100%. A resource you are reasonably near could be anywhere up to 50% (see Fish Argument). You may also have deals with other micronations to accesss a percent of their resources.
Where two micronations share a resource evenly, both have 100%.
We also allow "Cultural Resources" for small nations.
*Resources are restored (remined) monthly, and so each set of trade is conducted for a month. You can't accumulate them.
*You order resources from someone else in the organisation, telling them how much (eg 20%) and what price (say 500). If lots of people want the resource, you offer a higher price to ensure you get it. Economics of Supply and Demand works.
*Price is in Trade Credits, which cannot be exchanged into other currencies to avoid disputes over value.
*Those who want to may also pursue economic goals, designed to show levels of material living standards of your citizens. They're found on the first post here:
http://www.novatainia.org/forum/viewtop ... c&start=20
Finally, there is a point for resources.
*Even if you don't want to trade towards economic goals, you can still buy and sell resources as you like. Those nations with an Economy can float simulation companies that produce the resources, and then use the money from the float to pay out dividends based on how well the price of that resource is doing. This is about the only viable way to do a stockexchange, because just making it up is silly, and none of us have enough people buying stocks for it to work normally without dividends.
There, that help?
The Honorable Andreas the Wise (NC)
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I know spangle, you've told me what, 5 times already?
My point is that mining in kilograms is too complicated. And arguments ensure over what a reasonable amount of kilograms is. So we just say 100% of reasonable production of Gold per month. Whatever your kilograms in a month were, that becomes 100%, but 100% everyone can instantly understand.
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It does, in the full one. It says they're too complicated for most micronationalists.
Think of this as the SNARL of Trading. You want to go straight to the MRWS Budget System (which I notice wasn't used in the last two wars as too complicated)
Think of this as the SNARL of Trading. You want to go straight to the MRWS Budget System (which I notice wasn't used in the last two wars as too complicated)
The Honorable Andreas the Wise (NC)
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I'm sure it is, it sounds good, but you need to have a reasonable knowledge of the military to know what things are worth buying and how to use your money effectively. While that helps in SNARL, you can get by with just saying "Tank" "Bomber" "Infantry" etc.
Same with trading. Your method, while realistic, requires knowledge of measurement of resources, general mining capabilities etc.
Ours just requires basic maths. Much easier to pick up and run with.
In truth, if current trading methods worked, everyone would be doing it. But as far as I can tell, nobody is trading. So I made my own system which is simple enough, and hopefully others will pick it up too ...
Which includes you Spangle. If you can find other people who want certain kilograms of resources, by all means trade with them, I wish you all luck in that. If you can't ... well, you're still welcome to participate in our system. As is everybody else.
Same with trading. Your method, while realistic, requires knowledge of measurement of resources, general mining capabilities etc.
Ours just requires basic maths. Much easier to pick up and run with.
In truth, if current trading methods worked, everyone would be doing it. But as far as I can tell, nobody is trading. So I made my own system which is simple enough, and hopefully others will pick it up too ...
Which includes you Spangle. If you can find other people who want certain kilograms of resources, by all means trade with them, I wish you all luck in that. If you can't ... well, you're still welcome to participate in our system. As is everybody else.
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Yes, Oscland. I know that, I can buy Uranium via Oscland forums if I really wanted.
Nova England I don't know about, but Taesong and Kampong aren't exactly around the MCS much any more are they? And Riponia didn't seem to know of Taesong's trading system when I asked them if they had one ...
Oh, don't worry. If you're determined to trade that way, trade that way.
Nova England I don't know about, but Taesong and Kampong aren't exactly around the MCS much any more are they? And Riponia didn't seem to know of Taesong's trading system when I asked them if they had one ...
Oh, don't worry. If you're determined to trade that way, trade that way.
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I like our system better. Yours gives the impression of cars with tinted windows on an abandoned bridge with men in grey overcoats....
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well Kampong aren't...Andreas the Wise wrote:Nova England I don't know about, but Taesong and Kampong aren't exactly around the MCS much any more are they?
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