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I reckon the right to live trumps all others, personally. But that's just me.
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Colonel Vilhelm wrote:the right to live
i'll try and find a nation that banned this right...
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UDHR doesn't exactally say "you have the rights to all rights... but a bit more to the right to life..." it just says you have the right to all rights in this declaration, identifing them all as equal.
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What use is any right once you're dead?
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how you get buried... and weither you go to the proverbial heaven or hell.
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i'm sure wills are rights as well...
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not in the UDHR
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Matbaa never ratified the UDHR..
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*sniff* *sniff*

I smell a RecWar Backstory
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What, everybody else attacking the two conflicting parties because they're BOTH using concentration camps?
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Andreas the Wise wrote:
Zatriarch Maximillideus wrote:I've also just now seen that one of Novatainia's cities is called Treblinka.
I don't know if that's appropriate or not- after all, I doubt anyone would be too happy having an Auschwitz on the MCS map, so why must we have a Treblinka?
That was a complete accident, sorry, the name was one of a list I made up randomly that sounded cool ...
I didn't think I'd need to google every one to check if they were taken, obviously I was wrong ...

We shall change it soon. :wink:
Not that anyone cares, but for the purposes of truth, I discovered this:
Actually, I'm told, I'm a twit. My memory is failing me in my old age ... that name was actually made by another citizen who was aware of its connotations, and was
reading Mila 18 by Leon Uris, it's about Jewish underground in the Warsaw ghetto. Inspiring stuff. They named all their underground bunkers, ironically enough, after Nazi death camps.
I really should check before assuming I made up every name in Novatainia, occasionally others do work too ....
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UDHR
that is probably one fo the most contradictory and lack-lustre forms of declaring human Rights I have ever read. I don't mean that the contents within are neccesarily bad things, but that they executed it very poorly.

One of the more important things to note is that they drew upon no specific philosophy of freedom when writing it, leaving the writing dull, and unfortunatly contradictory to many beliefs and to itself in many places.

I may consider creating on here in Micronationalism that shall draw upon many more sources than that document. Although I can't count upon it being translated into as many languages, I believe it would be an interesting enough document. :)

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i'm just saying that matbaa is violating human rights, UDHR is my personal choise of list of human rights.
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How about CIS lend a hand and show these Matbaaaaaics where to go in the war? :)
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If you had read our Orbat you would see that Spangle is on UCS's
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i think that for us to be arguing over concentration camps is horrible. Someone i know, her grandmaw survived the holocaust and she is still hurting from it 50 something years later, if not more. millions of people died and you are arguing over the right to use a name. No one has the right to bring pain to another person. And this is a time in our history that is VERY painful and embarrassing. Grow up and quit acting like ignorant children.

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Grand Czar of Landingberg wrote:i think that for us to be arguing over concentration camps is horrible. Someone i know, her grandmaw survived the holocaust and she is still hurting from it 50 something years later, if not more. millions of people died and you are arguing over the right to use a name. No one has the right to bring pain to another person. And this is a time in our history that is VERY painful and embarrassing. Grow up and quit acting like ignorant children.

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dr-spangle wrote:i'm just saying that matbaa is violating human rights, UDHR is my personal choise of list of human rights.
but Matbaa bases its power upon just such a lack of those rights, It is a theocracy Comrade. :P

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Is there curently any human rights treatys on the MCS?
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Aside from treaties which state "nations x and y agree to respect human rights" etc., no.
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Write your own, if it worries you. I think most micronations manage fine, because if they mistreat their citizens, they'll leave (and nobody wants to lose citizens ...)
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Not in Shireroth. Shireroth's full of people who can be oppressed by the Kaiser and enjoy it! It's great!
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Exactly. But violations of human rights aren't the same as an entire genocide. That's much, much worse- though I'm not saying I approve of any one.
And the Czar of Landingberg is right, totally- let's just stop arguing about this. Wilhelm of Holzborg has explained to me, and so has Andreas the Wise.
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Post by Erik Mortis Brookshire »

"Not in Shireroth. Shireroth's full of people who can be oppressed by the Kaiser and enjoy it! It's great!" -Greg

hehe

Anyhoo. Since when was it the place of the MCS to dictate morality? (This has come up before..) We can omit names like "Testical" proly on grounds of obscenity or whatever... but removing a name that comes from a concentration camp is out of our hands as an organization. We may not like it, and may ask they remove it, or for permission not to include it.. but we can't remove it just because we think it's unethical to have such a city name. Hell, the testical example proly falls under the same grounds. I disapprove on both counts, but as a neutral organization the MCS gets no real say.
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woohoo some one who agrees with me.
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