International Council?

[EMPERORjustini]

PROPOSAL:

LEAGUE OF MICRONATIONS
(LoMN)


My proposal is to create a Micras “United Nations”. It would have the following:

Secretary of the Assembly: Voted by the Council of the Assembly.

Council of the Assembly: Councilor’s 5 members who sit on the heads of the board each represents each League council. (Voted in by general assembly)

General Assembly: Each nation has 1 (one) vote in the general assembly.


Leauge councils: (Act as courts)

Mapping Council: The MCS admin council whose job it is to create the borders of the world.

Military Council: Handles military Affairs.

Council of Human rights: Human rights affairs

Council of Trade:

Council of _____:


Something along this line here is the Wikipedia article on the League of Nations.

“The League of Nations was an international organization founded as a result of the Paris Peace Conference, 1919. The League's goals included disarmament, preventing war through collective security, settling disputes between countries through negotiation diplomacy and improving global welfare. The diplomatic philosophy behind the League represented a fundamental shift in thought from the preceding hundred years. The League lacked an armed force of its own and so depended on the Great Powers to enforce its resolutions, keep to economic sanctions which the League ordered, or provide an Army, when needed, for the League to use. However, they were often very reluctant to do so.”



I request you all to help me create this. Dose it seem like a good idea?

[dr-spangle]

i know, i'll join this original orginisation but use my original idea to stay for the trade then leave when i get into a war just to return afterwards...

[CNut]

PROPOSAL:

LEAGUE OF MICRONATIONS
(LoMN)


My proposal is to create a Micras “United Nations”. It would have the following:

Secretary of the Assembly: Voted by the Council of the Assembly.

Council of the Assembly: Councilor’s 5 members who sit on the heads of the board each represents each League council. (Voted in by general assembly)

General Assembly: Each nation has 1 (one) vote in the general assembly.


Leauge councils: (Act as courts)

Mapping Council: The MCS admin council whose job it is to create the borders of the world.

Military Council: Handles military Affairs.

Council of Human rights: Human rights affairs

Council of Trade:

Council of _____:


Something along this line here is the Wikipedia article on the League of Nations.

“The League of Nations was an international organization founded as a result of the Paris Peace Conference, 1919. The League's goals included disarmament, preventing war through collective security, settling disputes between countries through negotiation diplomacy and improving global welfare. The diplomatic philosophy behind the League represented a fundamental shift in thought from the preceding hundred years. The League lacked an armed force of its own and so depended on the Great Powers to enforce its resolutions, keep to economic sanctions which the League ordered, or provide an Army, when needed, for the League to use. However, they were often very reluctant to do so.”



I request you all to help me create this. Dose it seem like a good idea?

I think has been tried a milion times a million different ways.

[Pete]

YAMO

[Andreas the Wise]

Hmm, this is a little like what the MI was trying to acheive ... but we gave up and just made it a group of nations who seek justice and peace and all that and support eachother in war.

Is what you're proposing something that all MCS nations would automatically be signed up for though? Some sort of overall body, that could have, say, resolved the Numenor - ISIT dispute without having to kill ... ooh, 600 solidiers at last count. That could work ...

Stopping war though ... Stopping wars by big nations bullying little ones, sure. Stopping war altogether though ... the name says it all - Rec(reational)war. We still should have the odd war, for fun ...

[Craitman]

and support eachother in war.

by fighting each other

[Andreas the Wise]

Training with eachother in a practise war ...
A subtle difference ...

[Pete]

set it up of you like, but I cant see it getting hosted here.

[Andreas the Wise]

We got a forum, and by the time we did, we didn't even need one ...

But seriously, if he wanted this to be all MCS nations, here would be the most sensible place to host it, as all the nations are already signed up here ...

[Pete]

But we're not going to impose it on our members

[Andreas the Wise]

Oh, sure. But that doesn't mean you should hide it away where no one can see it or find it either ...

Though I see your point. I doubt most of the small micronations come on except to do claims (all those people with under 5 posts to their name ... where as I've worked my way up to the top 16/17 I think ...)

[Iehova]

[EDIT] Appy polly loggies for the DP. The forum broke on me (which it has been doing a lot of late. Admins?). Pete: Just no.

[Iehova]

Stopping war is a very bad idea, conflict breeds activity, as such stopping it is detrimental to micronations' success. Also, since all recwars are voluntary, nations won't get involved unless they want to, and as such no-one is going to want some YAMO telling them to stop.

International Courts and Human Rights bodies are also a bad idea. There are many nations in which flagrant violations of human rights are integral parts of the nation's culture (Babkha, for instance), and imposing international law or concepts of human rights on members would stymie creativity. Since this organisation would be voluntary, of course, the only memberstates would be the sort which upheld human rights.

A micronational UN can also wield no power. If someone does something you don't like, what are you going to do? Start a trade embargo? Declare war? Pfft. All micronations can exist in total isolation, very few require international trade to function and, as i've already said, all recwars are voluntary, so they can just ignore you.

Thus, a micronational UN has neither power nor purpose, the two most important things such an organisation should possess.

[EMPERORjustini]

I dont think nations should be forced to join its should be like the United nations (voluntary basis). I would love if it could be hosted here. I think if it dose get pciked up. the councils were just an idea. it wouldetn be a Military alliance. It wouldent stop re-wars its more of a foreign relations thing.

IDK seemed good.

Nicholas R

Kingdom of Norona
Frm. Empire of

[St. Fenix]

surprisingly said only once in this entire thread, I must repeat: YAMO.

There is no way that all those who are invovled in Micronationalism would ever agree to these kinds of Organisations. It has been Tried many different times, and the closest it ever got to happening was probably back in the LOSS days. Almost 8 years ago now.

Iehova Brings up a very interesting point as well: Many Micronations are expressions of cultures that don't exist on earth, Or maybe are but are'nt easily expierienced by the Anglo-phone Sector. For this very reason they may have many human Rights violations and a committee to deal with such a thing would have almost no power to enforce anything that it decrees against a nation. Should such happen, the Nation will most likely simply ignore it. And Ignoring something is probably the best way to ruin something in Micronationalism. Since it single-handedly denies the opponent the Life-blood of Activity or the stimulus for others to fill in that gap. And it is through the use of this that any nation can defeat any YAMO.

another thing that needs to be taken into account is the ability to democratically elect the council, and have a very quick bureacracy. With so many people involved it is almost impossible to do such. And thusly all decisions if any take a very long time to be made. There really is no real way to do a UN type Organisation in Micronationalism.

It is through these reasons, and very many others that such organisations fail and will most likely always fail.

-St. Fenix

[Andreas the Wise]

I haven't been in micronations long enough to know the truth of the others comments about it crippling activity and all that. I do know micronations can exist perfectly happily with limited outside contact (as that was a method I considered of dealing with Pete's silly annexation ... ignoring MCS.)

Some of the things you want can be acheived by a smaller group of nations, such as the MI. We're working out free trade, we'll hold eachother accountable, but with the number of membernations we have (4) its quite manageable.

What we do need is an international court ... I still grimace at some of the things New Brittania/Numenor did around the IS IT incident ... such as cancelling the treaty. Dr-Spangle pointed out it was against micronational law. Their reply was basically "we're a soverign nation, who's going to stop us?"
But I really don't know how such a thing would be acheived ... still, you could consider it ...

[Iehova]

What we do need is an international court ... I still grimace at some of the things New Brittania/Numenor did around the IS IT incident ... such as cancelling the treaty. Dr-Spangle pointed out it was against micronational law. Their reply was basically "we're a soverign nation, who's going to stop us?"
But I really don't know how such a thing would be acheived ... still, you could consider it ...

New Britannia were quite correct. There does not exist any form of international micronational law, nor a way to enforce it (nor will there ever be). New Britannia had every right to scrap that treaty (whether it was the right move or not is irrelevant and not something i'll consider).

Again, a micronational UN/international court/whatever will never work, because there is nothing you can do to empower your 'court', so my honest advice is not to bother.

[Pete]

First my annexations are a joke. I don't even decree them.

A court is again ignoreable, just like IS IT could have ignored his trial

[Graius]

A micronational-UN will fail for 2 key reasons:

1. The UN is the international forum for diplomacy. That function is easily done at present through MNN and similar fora.

2. The UN has power only insofar as a super/great power is willing to put its weight behind it. There is no such thing as consitent, universally accepted, commonly-enforced international law because nations remain sovereign, and thus there is no power greater than them to restrict their actions. It's the international relations concept of anarchy. In fact, if you want an idea why it wouldn't work, try it on a human level - if the individual is completely sovereign and the groups they organise into are not (which is ultimately the case if you replace the word "individual" with "nation"), then the groups cannot force the individual to do anything, unless they consent to it, or others gang up on them.

Considering that micronationalism is predicated on the modern conception of the nation state, it is impossible to create such bodies, as they exist without any form of authority.

[Guido Zambelis]

First my annexations are a joke. I don't even decree them.

A court is again ignoreable, just like IS IT could have ignored his trial

I have done now

And I was about to say: 'Graius will be here in a few minutes to rubbish this', but he beat me to it

[dr-spangle]

i could enforce it upon some peoples people's i know postcodes

[Andreas the Wise]

First my annexations are a joke. I don't even decree them.

You just told me you did decree them ...
But yes, they're a joke, so can you stop the joke then?

Otherwise I'll have to find other methods ...

[Pete]

Don't threated the admins. It's an annexable offence.

[Craitman]

*threaten

[dr-spangle]

yes people, pete is now an admin... but so am i... but i know how to work phpBBs, i'm blaming pete if the forum experiences any down-time... and i'll annex him.